Ben Brown, Internet Rockstar Feverish Velocity

I Love My Chicken Wire Mommy

The topic of member points and reward systems online and offline is interesting to me, so over the next few posts, I will be babbling about this topic in a new Ben Brown Blog Miniseries entitled “I Love My Chicken Wire Mommy.”

One of the things that I tell people who want to build an audience for their website is that they have to figure out a way to continually reward the people they recruit. The short story is, it is not very important what your reward is - it could be points, stickers or a nice warm feeling in your belly - as long as it feels rewarding to the members to do something that you want them to do.

I will below provide the story of Consumating’s ill-fated point system as a sort of counter-example to how you should design your own. We built a point system into Consumating because we thought giving direct feedback to people about their conduct on the site would encourage them to be nice to one another - you get a thumbs up when you are nice (treat!), and a thumbs down when you are a douche (electric shock!). It worked dramatically well in that aspect, and gave our members everything they needed to police themselves, punish trolls, and create a vibrant and unique culture. In virtually all other aspects, however, it caused serious problems.

The primary problem with Consumating points was that they did not actually give incentive to the members to do anything valuable. What we wanted people to do was write interesting posts, and then invite their friends to comment upon them. However, posting things to the site earned you nothing and inviting your friends earned you similar amount of nothing. Even voting on and ranking content for us earned you nothing. The only way for a member to earn points was for another member to vote on one of their posts. We had essentially short-circuited our rewards system by handing over all of the power to the whims of our fickle members.

Members without any pre-existing friends on the site had little chance to earn points unless they literally campaigned for them in the comments, encouraging point whoring. Members with lots of friends on the site sat in unimpeachable positions on the scoreboards, encouraging elitism. People became stressed out that they were not earning enough points, and became frustrated because they had no direct control over their scores.

Even worse was our decision to allow negative votes that actually took points away. Anyone who joined the site immediately opened themselves to cavalcades of negative feedback from existing members whose goal was to protect their own ranking. Our brilliant design where every post could be individually ranked meant that the more you participated, the more you could be punished by other members. Members could gang up and “thumb bomb” other members, giving a thumb down on every single post, causing points to disappear and rankings to drop. The best way to “win” at Consumating was to not participate at all!

Oh, hind site!

At first, we thought that if we made the point system more transparent and showed people that you essentially achieved nothing by being negative, we would reduce some of the negative impact the point competition was having on the site. We gave our members graphs and charts and ways to compare their points to other people’s points. We gave them detailed reports on what their top point earners and losers were over customizable periods of time. We really wanted to demonstrate to people when they were pleasing their peers, and when they were not. Oh, it was an information junky’s dream come true… but it did nothing to reduce the friction or help the site grow. People just had more numbers to obsess over!

The key lesson for me is that our members became very thoroughly obsessed with those numbers. Even though points on Consumating were redeemable for absolutely nothing, not even a gold star, our members had an unquenchable desire for them. What we saw as our membership scrabbled over valueless points was that there didn’t actually need to be any sort of material reward other than the points themselves. We didn’t need to allow them to trade the points in for benefits, virtual or otherwise. It was enough of a reward for most people just to see their points wobble upwards. If only we had been able to channel that obsession towards something with actual value!

Next time: Why the hell do I love my Safeway Club card so much?


Posted 29 October 2007 @ 3pm
Tagged chickenwiremommy, commentary, community, consumating, work

5 Comments

Posted by
ThePinkSuperhero
30 October 2007 @ 10am

The “thumbs up, thumbs down” thing was why I deleted my account on Consumating. It sucked to look at my profile and see that “8 people gave you a thumbs down”, or whatever it said.


Posted by
blasdelf
30 October 2007 @ 5pm

You’d have to be a mean little number-grubbing shit do give TPS a thumbs down. I’m at -18! I’d probably be lower if I didn’t abandon the site after answering a few of the questions.

Hey, at least you didn’t do quizzes like OKCupid!

I think impersonals.com is probably the best “Make a dating profile” website, because it does only that. It doesn’t attempt to keep you coming back to answer quizzes or questions. It makes it so the userbase doesn’t grow very fast, but that might be a good thing.


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2 November 2007 @ 6am

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Posted by
notpeter
2 November 2007 @ 11am

Older users of slashdot may recall a similar desire of people to boost their own Karma. Your /. user page used to give you a karma number (-10 to 50 i believe) and people all the time wanted to increase their karma score just so they would feel better about themselves. Then they got smart and only displayed one of “Bad, Neural, Fine, Good, Great, Excellent” and left the real number in the database.

Interesting stuff none the less…also any idea why it took like 12hrs for the wordpress account activation email to get to my yahoo account? makes commenting for a newcomer quite difficult.


Posted by
delaced
5 November 2007 @ 7am

Very true. Consumating site members really didn’t need to cash in points for anything more “real” in order to be motivated by them. In fact, as a point-watcher myself, the very idea of giving up those points for something else was unpleasant - then others wouldn’t know that I had once had them! That is, the points were in economic terms a classic “positional good”. They were hard to come by (in big numbers) and their value resided in the fact that (not many) other people had them, and that everyone else knew if you did.

As for the long term story of consumating’s devolution, i want indulge in some commisseration.

The site slowly broke my heart because I stuck dogmatically with the dream that points should be given and gotten either as as a mark of respect for creative input (in the form of posts), or for contributing to the general feel-good atmosphere of the site (in the form of thoughtful, creative tags). The site kind of worked like this for the very short period it took for members to work out that it was easier to campaign for thumbs than to — in my view — “earn” them.

The points system was one part of the downfall of the site. The other part was bad luck: just as people began to be disillusioned by the truckload with points, Consumating began offering conversations. Each member could host their own thread. Unfortunately, these became a vehicle, increasingly often, for a continuation of the whoring, protectiveness and vindictiveness that Ben mentions with respect to points: in order to get attention that wasn’t flowing through from points, conversations became sensational, crude, biggoted, and then nasty and bitchy. The whole genre, in my view, has now descended into regular vapidness, crudeness, or at best, it’s fun, polite conversation between the elites of the site — nothing of interest or value to potential newcomers.


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